Do you agree with the proposed arrangements outlined in the draft SA Commercial Kangaroo Management Plan 2020-2024?

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This online engagement was hosted on YourSAy from 06 June 2019 to 06 September 2019. Find out more about this consultation process. Below is a record of this engagement.

We would like to know if you agree with the proposed arrangements outlined in the draft SA Commercial Kangaroo Management Plan 2020-2024 and if you think they will have positive or negative impacts on the conservation of the kangaroo species, and the environment in your region.

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Please note: the harvesting of kangaroos is a necessary activity supported by legislation. Comments received about the merits of implementing kangaroo management in South Australia or that demonstrate a philosophical objection to kangaroo harvesting will be received and noted. See consultation guidelines for further details.

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Christine Bunge

06 Sep 2019

I DO NOT agree with the proposed arrangements for kangaroo slaughter. Australia has the worst track record for native animal extinction world-wide. When are we going to learn to value what we have. Kangaroos are one of the top three attractions that overseas visitors to Australia come to see. Instead of trying to wipe them out, which is slowly but surely happening, we should be allowing them to live as they naturally are designed, and give our overseas visitors something worth coming to see. Already, kangaroos are locally extinct in many areas. As a world we can no longer afford to devote such large areas of land to meat-based food production. The methods that are involved in the culling of kangaroos is cruel and inhumane, and breaches health and food safety standards. Kangaroos are important for the land and native plants as they help to spread seed and green up areas of land trodden hard by the hoofs of cattle and sheep. They are light-footed on the land and do not damage native vegetation as do farmed animals. The way our national emblem is treated is shameful and many Australians are appalled as the knowledge of how massive the numbers are that are being 'culled' actually are. Please stop the slaughter of our beloved national emblem.

Georgia-Alice Bunge

06 Sep 2019

This is sickening.

Georgia-Alice Bunge

06 Sep 2019

NO! I most certainly do not agree. The harvesting of kangaroos is not something that is necessary at all for the conservation or the primary living conditions of us as humans. Kangaroos are an essential part of our ecosystem. They are vital for the conservation of not only our fauna but also our flora. Kangaroos like other macropods spread seeds, turn the soil over, they help distribute water and regenerate land and soils that have been hardened by animals with hoofs. The pads on a kangaroos feet are vastly different than the hoofs of animals we breed for meat and dairy consumption and are much gentler on the environment that they are designed to live in. The animals we are breeding, cattle and sheep primarily and also camels are incredible destructive on the environment and the kangaroo is one of the animals that help to rectify the problem we have created. It is very evident that in land where kangaroos and other native wildlife roam freely the ecosystem is very balanced and maintained for many years. As we start to kill various animals in varying amounts it is evident we disrupt the balance and problems then start to occur. We have already killed most of the alpha males and certain species of kangaroos are already becoming locally extinct. The loss of the alpha male has a vast impact on our environment and for one means younger females are being mated with and are consequently are having slightly deformed offspring or are struggling to raise them to their best ability because younger males are coming in and mating with them too early. This is a small example of what happens when we mess with the environment and try to change things. Kangaroos are amazing animals, they have just as many feelings, emotions and are capable for exhibiting as much love as dogs and other sentient beings can. As a carer, I have seen this and it is truly amazing. When you mindlessly kill the whole family line is effected and in time these species will start to become extinct. There is evidence of this already. We have seen it so many times but we still don't learn. The Tasmanian Tiger was a prime example of this, people mindlessly killed for their own benefit and now as a result of the apex predator being gone our whole fragile ecosystem is being suffered. When will we stop? When will we learn? Don't make the mistake of waiting till it is too late, fix as much as you can now and start with not mindlessly killing these wonderful beings. DON'T BE STUPID! We have seen this time and time again. The Koala is another example. It is now becoming classed as endangered, years after our logging of forests and killing for fur. THINK about the future and don't make our children's generations have to live without being able to see these animals in the wild.

Diana Palmer

06 Sep 2019

This is my feedback email which I've decided to add to this site as well; just in case it gets lost there will be a record.

I have read the Draft plan to kill more SA kangaroos, as well as several other related documents including articles written by journalists from the numerous government press releases that enforce the justification for the increased number and species slaughter of kangaroos, for the increase in areas of slaughter and for increased farmer and commercial involvement in the slaughter. I have done the heavily biased survey and made several comments on the discussion, so I feel that I’m extremely familiar with the Marshall government’s strategy to eradicate kangaroos from their homeland while profiting from their carcasses and clearing the way for farmers to raise more animals for slaughter. This all contributes to a heart-breaking and tragic escalation of the deeply shameful, irreversible Australian wildlife extinction crisis.
It is obvious from the dramatic increase in kanga meat on sale now, for humans and companion animals, that this ‘community involvement’ is just a token gesture and that everything has already been decided by the stakeholders who will profit financially. So much is already wrong with the 'management' of kangaroos in this state and now, through the lobbying of farmers, shooters, Macro Meats and pseudo ecologists, a heavily biased recommendation has been made by the Natural Resources Committee to expand the number of target species and areas of killing. In the creation of this Draft, where was the opportunity for the multitude of South Australians who oppose the government-sponsored war against wildlife, to speak against the revoltingly cruel current situation, let alone the proposed, huge, deregulated increase in killing? Where was the opportunity for an independent investigation into claims of over-abundance of kangas? This is a fabrication to enable the state to over-ride the protected status of kangas and to provide incompetent farmers with ‘off-farm income opportunities’.
The Draft proposes lowering restrictions on everything to do with killing kangaroos for profit: lowering welfare constraints, fees for shooters, application restrictions etc. It also mentions the promotion of the consumption of kanga flesh. This is not government business! There is so much wanton cruelty to wildlife already that I believe the government will lead the way to complete acceptance of the already revoltingly cruel attitude and actions that many people display towards wildlife. The deeply flawed, completely inadequate monitoring of animal welfare proposed in the Draft, is a huge problem. Last year's report reveals that compliance is almost completely dependent on the shooters' reports. Foxes and hens!
Nothing that PIRSA, Livestock SA or DENWA have stated in trying to make this Draft sound reasonable, makes any sense. These old-fashioned, destructive CEOs etc are the huge problem facing the future of our country; its mismanagement of water, its desertification from land-clearing, the death of its natural spirit. They promote the war on wildlife and legislate excuses to profit from the death of our beautiful, gentle, family-oriented kangaroos, who actually benefit the Australian countryside and are an integral part of its survival while being the tragic victims of ignorance and incompetence in government, food production and industry. After thriving for hundreds of thousands of years, they will be slaughtered to extinction because of the complete lack of vision and understanding of the way to create a non-violent, healthy and caring society.
I am insulted by the strategies of the Marshall government to pretend that all South Australians will have a say in this Draft. I am deeply offended by the hidden but obvious agendas to re-brand kangaroos as a pest species and create the excuse to annihilate them. I completely reject the term ‘harvest’ being applied to the slaughter of wildlife and am appalled that the euphemism ‘management’ continues to be used to cover up the truth of slaughter by people who are supposed to be leaders who act with honesty and integrity. In short, your Draft STINKS.

Diana Palmer

06 Sep 2019

Yesterday I saw in the Central Market Coles, a huge new range of kanga meat products. It was such a shock my tears began to flow. I wouldn't have seen it but I was drawn to a big sign that read, 'Plant-based' products. And under that sign, there they were. Plastic meat trays full of kanga sausages, burgers etc etc., as if to say 'See, it is a harvest.' I turned them all over as I do in the cat food area, trying to make a tiny statement about the tragedy of feeding wildlife to companion animals. It's obvious that this 'public input ' into the Draft is purely tokenism, a sham democratic gesture, a meaningless offer designed to placate opposition. Now there is a plan to set up a processing works in the south east. The short road to Extinction. No Australian government or politician gives a damn about wildlife except to exploit until gone.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Diana Palmer

06 Sep 2019

It truly is sickening literally Diana,hence the several International Trade Bans in place against the Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry,especially in regards to ongoing meat contamination issues,not to mention the mass mortality event of 2017 in NSA in which millions of Kangaroos dies as a result of an as yet undiagnosed disease thus once again raising the issue of Kangaroo Meat & Hygiene back into the spotlight. As we know Kangaroo Meat not only has naturally high levels of L-Carnitine but it has a naturally heavy parasite load. As many Zoologists,Microbiologists,& even Kangaroo Shooters have stated...the only thing game about Kangaroo Meat is that you’d have to be game to eat it. And given that there is no Independent Monitoring at the point of kill & that both Male & Female Kangaroos continue to be gunned down,& Joeys continue to be bludgeoned to death legally shows exactly why the extent of the slaughter of Kangaroos has now been referred to as Genocide,in a recent speech given before the NSW Parliament. Indeed it’s no wonder that Australia’s slaughter of Kangaroos is now being compared to the situation where the Amazon is being destroyed...both the destruction of the Amazon & the ongoing decimation of Kangaroos being done only to line the pockets of Govt,Industry & indeed the Unsustainable Farming Sector’s pockets with blood money. As a Traditional Land Owner I’m sickened,disgusted & appalled at the slaughter of Kangaroos now gripping this Country like an infectious disease. The Dreaming of Country,Kangaroo like the Tasmanian Tiger prior....not in a fight for its own survival,& dying with all of this is Indigenous Culture given that Kangaroos are a significant Totemic Species.
Thankyou Diana for speaking up
& out about the disgraceful treatment of Kangaroos by those who themselves have no place here on this,my Ancestral Home.✊🏽💜

Ro Mudyin Godwin

04 Sep 2019

“The killing zones will be extended and amusingly,given what I have told you,the South Australian Govt is proposing (translate that to will) to change the methods for determining ‘harvest quotas’. These changes,amidst a new burst of claims that Kangaroo and Wallaby species “are abundant and causing damage to environmental values,agricultural land,infrastructure or public safety”. All nonsense of course,particularly given the South Australian Department responsible for wildlife conservation was describing some of the species on the new harvest list as rare.”
-From Creative Cowboy Films,Documentary Film Makers & Bloggers with whom I as a Traditional Land Owner & we at the educational organisation ‘Australia’s Kangaroos’ stand with & work with in exposing the reality of what’s happening to Kangaroos,instigated by State & Federal Govts across Country,the below link as you see,exposing the lengths Government will go to in order to win a few votes & line their pockets with more blood money. A disgrace on every level as the slaughter of the Dreaming continues unabated,& thankfully the International Community is voicing increasing disgrace too,the result of course will be that Tourism in SA will suffer,as many now plan to visit elsewhere,such as the area in which I reside where no Kangaroos are shot,& where we have a booming Sustainable Food Production Sector who respects all Wildlife,upon whose land they stand.
Many thanks to all at Creative Cowboy Films for standing with thousands against this impending increased slaughter of Kangaroos in SA.

https://www.creativecowboyfilms.com/blog_posts/sad-eucalyptus

S Petit

02 Sep 2019

Thank you for the opportunity to comment on the Draft South Australian Commercial Kangaroo Management Plan 2020- 2024. I address the three points on which you are seeking comments: changes to the methods for determining harvesting quotas, new harvesting areas, and new species. I write from a scientist’s perspective, with due respect for the South Australian farming community, with the understanding that agricultural activities can enhance some kangaroo populations, and with the knowledge that habitat loss is the greatest threat to biodiversity. In its current form, the draft management plan does not justify changes to the Regulations.

Commercialisation of wildlife and concerns about methods

Once a wild animal species is handed over to be managed by a private business for economic profit, it is at great risk of being over-exploited (e.g. collapse of fish stocks). It is unclear who is doing the surveys; they should be conducted by independent qualified observers, with no financial interest in the “harvests”. “Anecdotal” evidence, mentioned several times, can be dangerous, particularly when it comes from a party with financial interests in the killing of kangaroos, and one would hope that data would come mostly from scientific data and frequent surveys. The low frequency of surveys is worrying, and it is unclear what data are fed into the models that estimate population sizes yearly, and how the surveys are funded. As populations fluctuate, it is also unclear whether kangaroo meat processing businesses will go in and out of business, or whether the industry will rely on casual staff. These considerations have relevance for methods: availability of suitably qualified staff, for example. Presumably, a drop in kangaroos of 1 million such as the one represented in Fig. 2 for 2001-2003, equivalent to a loss of 50% of the population, at 15% harvest would mean 150,000 animals lost to the meat industry over one to two years, which would suggest that the industry will be supported by a casual workforce. The impact of climate change on population recovery, predicted to be very severe in South Australia, suggests that population crashes may not be able to withstand any harvest for several years, and this modelling should be presented. Information is needed on the implications of large kills on kangaroo population structure and genetics, which can be seriously affected depending on methods used. Additional information is also needed on killing methods and delays in killing injured animals and pouch young. The survey error within transect is not mentioned. Errors within and among transects, and how these errors vary in the different vegetation types concerned should also be represented. The use of log-transformed data makes it difficult to understand what the standard deviations represent in terms of numbers. Certainly, a 20% “harvest” seems extensive for any population, and the impact of offcuts is waved off on p. 35, yet must strongly affect invertebrate communities and vertebrate predators, leading to potential secondary impacts on survivors and ecosystems (e.g. 250,000 red kangaroo offcuts – Fig. 2, would have immense impacts on ecosystem integrity). Additionally, it is unclear how the appropriateness of stocking rate (livestock) for paddocks is going to be taken into account – overstocking is common, and kangaroos are not responsible for habitat degradation. There was no “overabundance” until Europeans arrived in Australia, and we should endeavour to find solutions that promote ethical outcomes. Methods for harvesting quotas need to consider calculations of “overabundance” that include livestock stocking rates in changing conditions. Without all of this information (this paragraph and the next), it is not possible to establish the appropriateness of methods for determining harvesting quotas. Automation of artificial watering points for livestock could prevent any increase in at least some kangaroo populations that may be associated with watering points (e.g. outback), and thus cancel the perceived need to kill a large proportion of such kangaroo populations. DEW could take a leading role in the development of such innovations.

New harvesting areas and species

It is not clear from the document where exactly the macropods are to be killed in the proposed new harvest areas, some of which have much higher human population densities than the arid zone, and precise information should be presented so that the public may comment appropriately. It appears that the knowledge of kangaroo population sizes for many areas is a guess, and if we use the example of Kangaroo Island, which has not been surveyed, then one wonders what the scientific justification for killing kangaroos and wallabies is. Kangaroo Island, named by Matthew Flinders in view of the large number of kangaroos it hosted sustainably before Europeans arrived, attracts tourists from all over the world. It is well known that they expect to see kangaroos there, and it is likely that there would be a backlash (similar to the international backlash following the announcement of the culling of koalas) that could affect the livelihood of many people living off tourism on the island. Farmers on Kangaroo Island are issued with destruction permits, but no information is provided on population sizes and perceived need for killing kangaroos and tammar wallabies there, and how this information may fit with the commercial exploitation of macropods. Where exactly the macropods would be killed for commercial purposes is also not mentioned. Tammar wallabies were reintroduced to Innes National Park some years ago (from animals that had been exported to New Zealand) after they had been hunted to extinction on the Yorke Peninsula. The map on p. 29 falsely shows a range extending all over southern South Australia. It could be the historical range, which shows what predation and over-harvesting can do to a species. In view of the fact that foxes are being controlled intensively on the southern Yorke Peninsula to allow some wildlife including tammar wallabies to survive, it seems rather absurd that they should be killed there by the kangaroo meat industry. Similarly, on Kangaroo Island, no scientific case currently exists to kill commercially either kangaroos or tammar wallabies since no survey or impact assessment has been conducted. In fact, most of the components listed on p. 4 that must be addressed by the Management Plan under section 60I of the NPW Act have not been addressed, and should be reviewed. For example, the plan must assess “the likely impact of harvesting animals of that species on […] the ecosystems which animals of that species form part, on the diversity of the species of animals and plants comprising those ecosystems, on the ability of the species to maintain natural genetic diversity throughout its population” and “identify factors that are likely to reduce or increase the number of animals of the species to be harvested, identify any other factors that will affect the species as a renewable resource for harvesting in the future, assess whether there is a need to reduce the number of animals of the species to protect the environment, crops, stock, or other property […]”. The vegetation on Kangaroo Island and some other areas mentioned will make it very difficult to estimate population sizes with any degree of reliability, and surveys would need to use a tagging system similar to mark-recapture to discount “double-counting” and increase reliability.

In conclusion, considering that the Management Plan is a legal document that must address the criteria as listed in the Act but the draft does not, more extensive drafting is necessary. For example, additional information is needed in the Management Plan to justify extending the current killing program to other areas and species, and to allow the public to evaluate its parameters and provide recommendations for improved methods. The proposed changes to the National Parks and Wildlife (Kangaroo Harvesting) Regulations 2018 currently do not seem to be supported by scientific data. Innovations to minimise conflict between agricultural activities and kangaroo populations are desirable and should be encouraged.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > S Petit

02 Sep 2019

Thankyou for your comment. As a Traditional Land Owner,Horticulturist,Sustainable Bush Tucker Food Producer & Indigenous Initiated Teacher of Traditional & Modern Knowledge of Kangaroo & Country I found your comment to be most interesting.
Government legislate the slaughter of Kangaroos & also profit from that slaughter, so they have an obvious vested interest in making that slaughter seem sustainable & we see how they do that in regards to Kangaroo populations which are only estimated & in which biologically impossible correction factors are used to bolster populations,indeed Ecologist Ray Mjadwesch had an article published recently about that in which he refers to virtual kangaroo populations. Both the Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry & Govt Involvement in that industry & re the issuing of Damage Mitigation Permits etc,with all the they’re claims of Kangaroo Slaughter being sustainable it’s interesting that still in 2019 ALL attempts for a National Independent Review & Inquiry into all aspects of Kangaroo Slaughter have thus far been refused,also interesting given the Industry has not only attracted several International Trade Bans against it,but given the decimation being suffered by Kangaroos across Country via Drought,Habitat Loss predominantly caused by the Unsustainable Farming Sector,& the Open Slaughter of Kangaroos also now occurring,why not show the public how “sustainable” the slaughter of Kangaroos truly is?! However I digress.
You assert that Kangaroos have some how increased since Settlement given the aforementioned as an example of ongoing declines, where exactly are these increases & what were the Actual Kangaroo Populations upon Settlement in comparison to the Actual Kangaroo Populations right now across Country??
I’m especially intrigued by your claims being an Initiated Indigenous Teacher, as are many in the Independent Scientific Community with whom I work which include Independent Kangaroo Population Analysts,Ecologists,Wildlife Conservation Biologists,Zoologists etc.
Indeed one only has to study the Journals of the early Settlers to see what they state not just re Kangaroos being “as far as the eye can see” but in regards to the destruction of Country caused by Livestock...”it took a mere six years for the green and lovely pasture land and over which early settlers rhapsodised,to disappear” of course this Unsustainable Farming
continues unabated today,with many involved in that Sector themselves now suffering.
As a Sustainable Food Producer in the area in which I live Kangaroos indeed all Wildlife are let be,we have no Deer,no Pigs,given the majority of Bushland is vast & even here Kangaroos aren’t “over abundant” & given the reproduction capabilities of Kangaroos indeed of Macropods that comes as no surprise. As well as very little of Country being cleared here, the benefits of mixed grazing...sheep, kangaroos,cattle,kangaroos evident & embraced,especially given that Kangaroos aerate soils,aid in seed dispersal & mitigate damage caused by hard hoofed Introduced livestock,thus improving overall livestock production, & ensuring a healthy ecosystem remains. Wildlife friendly Fencing is used which is cost effective & rarely needs fixing.
It’s biologically impossible for Kangaroos to reach this over abundance of which you speak given the example we see here “Kangaroo populations can only increase gradually.Actual Wild Population Growth Rates (PGR) are a maximum of 8-10% pa (& calculated 14% for Reds) under good conditions” ( Arnold GW,Grassia A,Steven DE,Weeldenburg JR CSIRO Publishing) (G.Caughley,G.Shepherd,N.Short)
“Further,kangaroo does surviving drought in their lifetime then wean less offspring & their daughters wean fewer grand offspring” ( Bilton & Croft)

You continue to refer to the slaughter of Kangaroos in the Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry as harvesting...Kangaroos aren’t a crop nor are they fruit,Kangaroos are not harvested at all,they are gunned down in mass indiscriminate slaughter which is known as Artificial Selection in which several generations & indeed entire Family Mobs are systematically slaughtered off this their Ancestral Home by those who have already caused 231 yrs of destruction. This mass indiscriminate slaughter that you call a harvest also flies in the face of Indigenous Culture given not only are Kangaroos a Sacred Totem Animal to many of we Indigenous people but we Indigenous people were to quote Elder Uncle Eric Craigie “never into mass slaughter. We only took what we needed” Indeed in Traditional Hunting ANY hunting is overseen by strict protocol & only Initiated Men can hunt. Also as a result of the extent of the slaughter of Kangaroos now being seen right across Country,Song Lines & Dreaming Tracks are now disappearing given that Kangaroo,a Creator Spirit, in many areas have been slaughtered out & they are essential to the regeneration of Song Lines & Dreaming Tracks & thus the Interconnectedness of Country,the extent of the slaughter also now impacting on the ability of we Indigenous people to teach future generations about the importance of Totemic Species within Culture,& all of this has been ignored & continues to be ignored. Again the Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry is mass indiscriminate slaughter & like the “Management” of Kangaroos is Introduced & has no place on Country.
You also make claims about Kangaroos & AWP’s yet we know that Kangaroos do not have a water focused grazing pattern as I’ve mentioned several times to a few on this Discussion Page indeed,Kangaroos are able to top up their water table by absorbing moisture from Indigenous Forage upon which they funnily enough thrive,as we also know many species of Indigenous Flora hold a high moisture content. “......kangaroos have been determined to not have a water focused grazing pattern (Montague-Drake 2004) James (1998) provides detail about impacts on the piosphere (the region around a water point)- impacts of stock (denuding of vegetation,compaction,mechanical erosion etc) are severe and still evident 20yrs after the removal of stock” ( Mjadwesch 2011) We also know that “Red Kangaroos can go with as little as 12 drinks per annum (Montague-Drake,Croft 2004)
And where exactly is all this water re the “outback” given ongoing Drought,which is widespread?? Indeed indeed one only has to look at the Documentary Blogs released publicly by Creative Cowboy Films especially re SA to see the impacts of Drought upon all species.Indeed we see how well water is “managed” on Country don’t we...all we have to do is look at the Murray Darling...ah yes Management eh...the sheer audacity & ignorance of Settlement in wanting to “manage” an Ancient Land that for millions of years never needed this Introduced Management & indeed it’s clear whom & what needs to be managed & it’s not the Kangaroos.

I will refer you to as I’ve referred others to The Blue Mountains NSW,no Kangaroos are shot there,there is no “Management” of Kangaroos or Wallabies there either & that area not only has a booming Sustainable Food Production Sector but also booming year round Tourism with thousands coming to see Kangaroos & The Blue Mountains area itself has a UNESCO World Heritage Listing.

You are correct re KI & Tourism there,given under my other hat as the Vice President of an educational organisation re Kangaroo & Country,we have been contacted by many not just re KI but across SA stating the predicted financial losses they will incur (& already are in some areas re the huge declines of Kangaroos) should the slaughter of Kangaroos & Wallabies increase & there is talk of various actions that could be taken re the proposal put forth by the SA Government re the want to increase Kangaroo & Wallaby Slaughter. Indeed I recently did extensive research & had that researched article published re the financial worth of the slaughter of Kangaroos Nationally & given current data,we see that Kangaroos are worth more to the Total GDP Nationally ALIVE than dead & are worth more ALIVE on Country than both the Australian Agriculture Industry & Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry,given that Kangaroos are besides the Koala THE main drawing card sustaining the Australian Tourism Industry. I can assure everyone especially the SA Govt of this....people aren’t coming to Australia to see vast tracts of decimated landscapes littered with starving livestock. And given I interact with Tourists on a very regular basis the feedback received at the moment is many wont be returning to Australia given the extent of the slaughter of Kangaroos they’ve personally already seen,& the disgust they express in the amount of habitat destruction they are also seeing. Many tourists feel as if they have been duped by the Tourism Propaganda seen by them Internationally in comparison to what they actually see when they get here. And when I’ve informed them of the want to increase the slaughter of Kangaroos in SA let’s just say the SA Govt is not being seen in a very favourable light.
I agree with the majority of what you’ve stated however there are just a few points of which you state that are incorrect.
Indeed it remains perplexing as to why given all the claims made by Government & the Commercial Kangaroo Killing Industry re Kangaroos,the Sustainability of the slaughter etc as to why they continue to refuse all attempts of a National Independent Public Review & Inquiry...as the saying goes...if you’ve got nothing to hide😉

Simon Validzic

31 Aug 2019

It is necessary to stop the killing of kangaroos and wallabies. There is absolutely no reason to add new ‘harvesting’ areas, new species or to make changes to the methods for determining quotas.

Kangaroos are native animals of Australia; they have an intrinsic value and should be able to live in their homeland as they have done so for millions of years.

Killing kangaroos is cruel. The national "Code of Practice for the humane killing of kangaroos" is inadequate and there are no penalties for not complying. There is no such thing as 'humane killing'. Adult kangaroos are shot and dragged to trucks, struggling and still conscious. Their throat is slit and they bleed to death. After their mother is shot, baby kangaroos are killed by chopping off their head with an axe or by means of a blow to the head with a heavy blunt instrument. Female kangaroos often have an infant who no longer lives in the pouch but still needs her for milk and protection from predation, as well as to learn life skills. After the mother is shot, this infant will die a slow death due to starvation, exposure, predators or being eaten by ants.

(Note: I have already made quite a few points in a reply to a comment and I am not sure if I should repeat them as a separate comment).

Alyssa van Jaarsveld

30 Aug 2019

No I do not support this plan and I do not support the commercial harvesting of macropods in general. I believe it is less about environmental impacts and more about financial gain for those that profit off their skins and meat. Treating our unique wildlife as pests is creating a culture of hostility and disrespect towards native animals whereby we are constantly seeing acts of cruelty perpetrated against them. There’s also no way of ensuring it is actually humane and it is well documented that shooters miss and animals are wounded and suffer greatly. There is also the stress experienced by hunted animals and the disruption to their mob structure. I am disgusted by the treatment of joeys which are bludgeoned to death as per the Code. I think the SA government should be promoting positive interactions between people and wildlife rather than killing them off en masse.

Julie Sutcliffe

30 Aug 2019

This plan is totally unacceptable. This slaughter of gentle sentient creatures should be stopped, not expanded. We should be trying to reduce the pressures on these diminishing populations.

Katniss Mercury

30 Aug 2019

Please, please try to have compassion. Imagine how these beautiful animals feel when they are chased, hunted down and bludgeoned to death which is the case a lot of the time. These are OUR native animals. They are part of a beautiful landscape, they deserve our admiration and awe, I would be devastated, so many others would be so sad if your proposal took place. It cannot happen. They are sentient beings who deserve to live out their lives just all beings do.

Melanie Rayner

30 Aug 2019

No, this is absurd, why would any country want to further endanger a species of their National animal.

Ron Daniel

30 Aug 2019

For those that have not experienced a drought like we have in the Pastoral Areas of SA in the last 3 years let me enlighten you that many of the water holes that have dried up is the result of no RAIN, nothing to do with livestock as the holes have dried since the removal of livestock from these properties.
If you think that it is livestock that bares paddocks of natural grasses than come and have a look at the many National Parks in the Flinders Ranges and see how denuded they are of feed. One paddock near Hawker has not had any introduced animals grazing in it for over 10 tears
and it does not have anymore feed than adjoining paddocks used by graziers.
Concentration of Kangaroos near populated areas is the main concern which is due to lack of rain and drying of natural water

Leisa Moore > Ron Daniel

30 Aug 2019

Don't suppose Ron you have considered the damage being done by Deer, Goats in that area. I recently spoke to a Farmer who claimed very few kangaroos are being seen due to the drought. They can manage themselves, as previously mentioned , Farming practices need management I believe along with a reduced blame for land degradation on Native animals who are transient. The last thing they want to do is ruin their environment.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Ron Daniel

30 Aug 2019

Good Afternoon Ron,interesting to read yet another comment thread posted by yourself. Ron in many areas across Country Drought has been impacting for over 10years yet nothing has changed in regards to the Unsustainable Farming Sector,then they wonder why Country is nothing but a desolate wasteland,& they are unable to Farm without Government Hand outs or without public donations to supp feed livestock who shouldn’t be there in the first place Ron. It’s interesting how we Indigenous people & indeed those in the Sustainable Food Production Sector understand that we must live with Country,not off it. We understand that clearing Country is detrimental to not only to the survival of people but to Wildlife as well,& Wildlife are needed to sustain a healthy ecosystem especially Kangaroos re seed dispersal & soil aeration & a healthy ecosystem then accommodates rain fall,& that is well documented,& basic knowledge to those of us with vast knowledge of Country,especially re we Traditional Land Owners,yet the Unsustainable Farming Behaviours continue on unabated which again intensifies Drought.Now as a Sustainable Bush Tucker Food Producer I & indeed the Sustainable Organic Food Producers in both my local area & interstate aren’t being impacted by Drought as severely as the Unsustainable Farming Sector given Ron we haven’t cleared vast areas of Country,we leave Wildlife be thus ensuring a healthy ecosystem & indeed thanks to the top grazing behaviours of Kangaroos & Wallabies,we in turn are also favoured a decreased bush fire risk. We get rain here at least every fortnight yet we are “Drought declared” Ron,now when we look further inland at the Unsustainable Farmed Areas we see vast tracts of decemated wastelands littered with starving livestock,there are no Kangaroos there Ron in fact there isn’t anything except Rabbits,Pigs,Goats & Sheep & Cattle. I refer indeed to the following from the Pilliga Environmental Group NSW ...“Near Walgett yesterday. What was once a woodland supporting rich biodiversity,now an over cleared,over grazed,over cropped barren wasteland,devoid of life. How any politician can support this outcome as Farming practice is beyond me” (Lyall Naylor 2019) Now as we also know Ron hard hoofed water dependent livestock have trashed the vast majority of naturally occurring waterways which even in the early years of Settlement littered Country,I again suggest to you as I have suggested to you & the other person in your other comment threads to read the Journal entries of the early “Settlers” Ron,& I yet again as I’ve done prior on your other threads refer you to the following quote “it took a mere six years for the green and lovely pasture land and over which early settlers rhapsodised,to disappear” & I continue in my quote “The ground powdered under the cutting hooves of Cattle and Sheep then hardened when it rained. The plants had never had to push their roots through hard ground;they had never had their leaves bruised by cloven hooves” As we also know from extensive research at such places as Fowlers Gap Research Station & from Peer Reviewed research conducted over decades which again shows the following “.....kangaroos are determined not to have a water focused grazing pattern (Montage-Drake 2004) James (1998) provides extensive detail about impacts on the piosphere (the region around a watering point)- impacts of stock (denuding of vegetation,compaction,mechanical erosion etc) are severe and are still evident 20 years after removal of stock” (Mjadwesch 2011)
& as those of we Traditional Land Owners & in my case as well as a Sustainable Food Producer & being a Horticulturist that works with property guardians,in the implementation of Wildlife Corridors Livestock know, livestock have & continue
to cause irreversible damage to Country. I will again use the example of the Blue Mountains in NSW,where no Kangaroos are shot & or “managed” Ron,there is not only a booming Sustainable Food Production Sector which has featured several times on such shows as Gardening Australia,but there is a booming Tourism Industry AND Ron the entirety of The Blue Mountains,NSW is listed as a Unesco World Heritage Listed Area...again no Kangaroos are shot there & they are let be. Ron the ongoing problem that you for some bizarre reason fail to comprehend is that Introduced Livestock & the Unsustainable Farming Sector are the ongoing problem.
Ron Id suggest you think about who & what were here on Country first & think very long & hard about WHOM is actually impacting whom.
https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.ecowatch.com/biomass-humans-animals-2571413930.amp.html

This main concern Ron is indeed the disconnected ignorance of some when it comes to Country,Kangaroos & the real & ongoing problem which the Unsustainable Farming Sector which I have mentioned over & over & over again,as have the majority of people commenting in this Discussion Section.
Ron a bit of reading for you from just some of whom I work very closely with
https://www.creativecowboyfilms.com/blog_posts/the-lonely-road

https://www.creativecowboyfilms.com/blog_posts/finke-river-journey

Traceu Crockett > Ron Daniel

31 Aug 2019

Thanks Ro great response ps call me

Diana Palmer

29 Aug 2019

The vast majority of people expressing their passionate opposition to this revolting development MUST be listened to. In the creation of this Draft, no Wildlife Warriors, wildlife carers or experts on the true statistics of wildlife decline and habitat destruction were consulted. Only the 'Natural Resources Committee' ie the 'how to make money out of killing and destroying nature committee' and businesses lobbying with a profit motive were considered. As well as being completely biased and exclusive, this Draft proposes an increase in slaughter that will annihilate kangaroos here, change their heritage and status to being merely a product and further legitimise the already horrific cruelty that these beautiful, social, family-loving animals have to endure every single day. SA Government! Your financial incompetence cannot be corrected by this disgusting proposal. First - DO NO HARM.

Linda Krulz

29 Aug 2019

The commercial harvesting of kangaroos has little to do with environmental impact and all to do with the money making food and pet industry.
The slaughter of our native kangaroo is unsustainable. It’s time Governments learnt from past experiences, touting plentiful supplies. The breeding pattern of kangaroos cannot sustain the millions that are already being mercilessly slaughtered.
It’s the breeding and over farming of cattle and sheep , that need to be controlled not native wildlife.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Linda Krulz

30 Aug 2019

Thankyou Linda & well stated 👍🏽

Ron Daniel

29 Aug 2019

I agree with some of the comments but are people aware that Kangaroos and all native animals need WATER to survive and it is the land owner who has supplied water (from bores ) for stock and native animals, there is now water where there was none before therefore expanding the areas the native animals could feed and water. In drought years (as we have had in the North of SA over the last two years) a lot of the natural springs have dried forcing native animals to rely on man made waters therefore increasing their numbers in that area and compete for food with any livestock the owner may have left.
The number of kangaroos and native wild life has probably not changed but the concentration per square kilometre has because of lack of natural water

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Ron Daniel

29 Aug 2019

Ron. As a Traditional Land Owner,Sustainable Bush Tucker Food Producer & Indigenous Initiated Educator re Traditional & Modern Knowledge of Kangaroo & Country,I can assure you Naturally occurring water ways were vast & plenty before Invasion & have been systematically destroyed with the Introduced Pests they being all from Sheep,Cattle,through to Deer Pigs etc. AWP’s are monopolised to accomodate Livestock who unlike Kangaroos are Water Dependent. Kangaroos do not have a water focused grazing pattern & are also able to absorb moisture from Indigenous Forage which contributes to the upkeep of their water table. Red Kangaroos for example can go with as little as 12drinks per annum (Montague- Drake,Croft 2004) As stated by Ecologist Ray Mjadwesch “Kangaroos were already well adapted to Australian conditions before White Man came along and “improved” everything” One only need to look at the Murray Darling to see that “improvement”. In Drought Ron Kangaroos naturally reduce reproduction & suffer naturally high mortality rates with Adult Kangaroos suffering uproot 60% mortality rates,juveniles upto 100% mortality rates. How is it that ANY species increases reproduction during Drought Ron?? There are ongoing declines of Kangaroos across Country as we see through various Independent Studies,even with Traditional Owners in WA raising concerns about the amount of slaughter,SA we see several listed species as Rare & Endangered including those the SA want to add to their slaughter lists,NSW there is an Open Slaughter of Kangaroos with 73% declines being shown in several areas & two shooting zones closed. Livestock compete with Kangaroos for forage not Vice versa Ron...remembering its Livestock who are the Introduced Species.

Leisa Moore > Ron Daniel

29 Aug 2019

I'm thinking we really need to forget about managing Kangaroos and have a say in how many introduced species like Sheep Cattle Goats that are farmed which have an adverse effect on the Environment. Far too much water is required by Farmers to continue producing these animals. There should be a limit in stocking rates which cause Farmers to thrash the land and complain when water is limited in a drought.

Sam Darling > Ron Daniel

29 Aug 2019

You're absolutely right Ron. By making feed and water available for our stock, we have made it easier for kangaroos and other animals to survive as they no longer have to rely on what nature alone provided. If you don't think that they utilise these man-made food and water sources, just go and have a look at a water trough or dam out in a station paddock.

Leisa, are you aware of the overstocking limits imposed by pastoral leases to protect the country?

Leisa Moore > Ron Daniel

30 Aug 2019

Sam, yes I am aware of stocking rates imposed and clearly these need to be adjusted as it appears the land is continually being decimated by Cattle and Sheep etc. I have seen areas where Sheep have been removed and Kangaroos allowed to remain, the difference to the condition of the pasture and remnant native vegetation after just one year is incredible. Many weed species disappear, all thanks to our Nature's Gardeners, Kangaroos.

Carolyn Drew > Ron Daniel

31 Aug 2019

Sam Darling, fharmers have destroyed water sources. This land has been sucked dry by fharmers - everywhere rivers are gone, creeks gone, wetlands - vast wetlands - gone by the early 1900s over your way. You make me laugh when you say fharmers have created more watering points - no everything is being destroyed by fharmers including the water sources.

Traceu Crockett > Ron Daniel

31 Aug 2019

Sam Darling I suggest you read Ro's comment on this particular thread. Water was plentiful pre 1788. You fharmers have not done any wildlife any favors..you play a big part in their demise. Clearing habitat to graze cattle and other hard hoofed animals. Unlike kangaroo that can infact survive drought...domestic livestock cannot.

Sam Darling > Ron Daniel

31 Aug 2019

I agree that some water sources have been mismanaged and are now smaller but that is not the focus of this discussion. The focus is that kangaroos are able to access a wider distribution of water sources. We have made water more widely available. We have been able to run stock in areas that didn't have enough water. They now have enough water because farmers (not fharmers?) have been able to sink bores, build dams etc. I'm glad that the work that goes into sinking a bore can make you laugh Carolyn, whatever tickles your fancy. Carolyn, I don't know why you say "gone by the early 1900s over your way"... You either think you know where I live (which you don't) or you are referring to SA in general, meaning you aren't a resident?

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Ron Daniel

01 Sep 2019

Well stated Traceu Crockett & Carolyn Drew👍🏽👍🏽

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Ron Daniel

01 Sep 2019

Sam Darling yet again when we observe Kangaroo behaviour,as those of us living with Kangaroos do on a daily basis,when we look at the stomach contents in autopsy studies as most of us working with Kangaroos have done,& according to decades of Peer Reviewed Data we see as I’ve stated several times now,that Kangaroos do not have a water focused grazing pattern,we also see that water tables are able to be topped up by moisture absorption from Indigenous Forage & as I asked you several days ago Sam...you are aware of the various species of Indigenous Forage that contain high levels of moisture? We Indigenous people have also relied on those Indigenous Flora Species for moisture intake across Country. I will yet again repeat what I’ve stated prior “Stock are well known to congregate and concentrate around watering points,however kangaroos have been determined not to have a water focused grazing pattern (Montague-Drake 2004) James (1998) provides detail about impacts on the piosphere impacts of stock (denuding of vegetation,compaction,mechanical erosion etc) are severe & still evident 20yrs after removal of stock” (Mjadwesch 2011)

“Red Kangaroos can go with as little as 12 drinks per annum (Montague-Drake 2004,Croft 2004) Dams are positioned to across the landscape according to requirements to water stock. Kangaroos were already well adapted to Australian conditions before Settlement,before White Man came along and “improved” everything” (Mjadwech 2011) Indeed Sam one only has to look at the Murray Darling River to see first hand how White Man has “improved” everything not to mention the vast cleared decimated landscapes littered with nothing but starving Livestock. Now Sam given most areas have been gripped by Drought for over a decade & water in most of these areas is now being carted in,where exactly are Kangaroos “accessing a wider distribution of water sources”?? And also given the use of urea in AWP’s to poison not just Kangaroos but also Emus as has been widely reported in the media & made public by Kangaroo Shooters especially throughout QLD we see that AWP’s are being used to destroy Wildlife,also Sam there are Cluster Fences also bought here by Settlement that have cut off the natural migration routes of not just Kangaroos but all Wildlife thereby stopping them literally from accessing not just AWP’s but any natural water areas that may have escaped being destroyed by millions of head of Introduced hard hoofed Livestock. I yet again refer to the area of The Blue Mountains in NSW which I visit often,no shooting of Kangaroos occurring there Sam,as I’ve also stated almost to the point of exhaustion here on several threads,Kangaroos are let be,& that area has a UNESCO World Heritage Listing. And Sam people don’t need to be a resident of any area of Country to be aware of what’s occurring in that area,indeed we only need to look at the extensive work of Documentary Film Makers,Creative Cowboy Films to see that fact,especially given their work across SA showing huge areas of decimation of not just Kangaroos but Country predominantly occurring as a result of Introduced Unsustainable Farming Behaviours which like the Fharmers implementing them,have no place on Country.
Enjoy your day Sam.

Janet Allan

26 Aug 2019

I am disgusted to see Premier Steven Marshall even considering that our beautiful, free, native emblem could become a monetary commodity, worth nothing more than a bullet.

I have seen footage of kangaroos being strung up by meat hooks while still alive, babies being bludgeoned to death and wounded kangaroos dying long and agonizing deaths. Our treatment of our national icon is an international disgrace. It is absolute rubbish that kangaroos, of all creatures, need to be culled. It is a pity humans did not have as much sense in the area of controlling our own numbers. We are the only pest species on this planet, destroying about 500 hectares of native Australian forest each year and excessively and indiscriminately saturating our land with poisons and pesticides. If we ate the crops we grow directly ourselves, instead of funneling them through animals, we would only need to do a fraction of the damage we do.

Your statistics are a load of rubbish, for example, how many lives do the increased permits add up to? 1,000 more roos, 10,000 more?

How will this impact the ecosystem?

Drought rarely covers all of Australia and many kangaroos will travel long distances to escape harsh conditions.

This doesn't mean they don't suffer and die in droughts, they do, but many will escape and they have evolved over time to breed quickly when conditions are good.

They are known to be able to have a joey at foot, one in the pouch and another in an embrionic state just waiting for favourable times…

So does it make sense to increase the number of kangaroos killed in an area where there
happen to currently be more than usual?

These areas are refuges and need to be maintained rather than exploited.

The current plans by the SA Government to expand the commercial killing of kangaroos is precisely this kind of stupidity, ‘Oh there are plenty in SA at present, so we can kill more…’

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Janet Allan

28 Aug 2019

Brilliant comment Janet,Thankyou 👍🏽🙂

Traceu Crockett > Janet Allan

29 Aug 2019

Well said Janet...and I do agree whole heartedly..except for macropods breeding quickly in good times...biologically impossible, macropods are slow breeders and depending on the species is approximately year for example the swamp wallaby is out of pouch a bit faster. Easyern greys on the otherhand rely on their mother for sustenance for up to 2 years. I have 12 month old eastern grey joeys still in pouch...older joeys still needing bottles..so no they certainly do not breed faster in good times...but they definitely slow during droughts 😊

Darielle Bydegrees

24 Aug 2019

A shortsighted and highly problematic solution to a problem that has been created by destructive and unsustainable agricultural practises. Australians are disgusted by other countries who have commercialised the killing of dogs, horses, dolphins, seals etc and yet we are blind to our own disgusting treatment of our own native animals.

Cienwen Hickey > Darielle Bydegrees

01 Sep 2019

Well said Dariella, it is the unsustainable farming practices that have ruined this country. Farmers export 75% of what they grow, this is greed and Kangaroos are made a scapegoat for their lousy land management, they can't manage the land but they think they can manage the wildlife, go figure.
The Australian Government is so hypocritical but if you think about it they do realise what they are doing with our Kangaroos is wrong which is why they cover it up so carefully. All these Kangaroo Management Plans are the same in every state, they are deeply flawed. All of us who are commenting here or on any other KMP are, excuse the expression, pissing in the wind becaause they will just go ahead and do what they want to do regardless of what the people of this country want or say. Asking for comments and submissions is just an exercise in underhandedness intended to salve their consciences and make the public think all they are doing is neccessary and done in the right manner.

Hannah Gustard

23 Aug 2019

I DO NOT agree with the government's decision to cull kangaroos. They are lives that we do not have the right to take just because we believe we are "protecting the eco system"... these animals have lived on the land for longer then humans have and yet suddenly they become a problem. Seems coincidence that take their natural habitats creating higher numbers in smaller areas and we don't look at ourselves.

Taking a life makes you a murderer. Does that Australian government want that on them.
Please believe me when I say that nearly all of the younger generation gen y and z do not want this kangaroo cull to happen.

Sam Darling

20 Aug 2019

If anyone had actually left the city limits, you would realise that kangaroos are nowhere near extinction. These are not "natural" population numbers; they have increased above manageable numbers because of how we have changed the environment.

Yes, areas are in drought but that does not mean that roo numbers are suddenly acceptable. Excessive numbers only make the drought even harder on farmers who will have a limited crop harvest or are having to truck in every bit of feed for their stock only to have it stolen by roos.

Harvesting is not extinction; it is bringing the numbers down from excessive levels to something more natural and manageable. Harvesting is not slaughter, it is simply making use of the carcasses that would otherwise be left on the ground (because harvest or not, the roo population needs to be reduced).

Leisa Moore > Sam Darling

26 Aug 2019

Harvesting is in fact SLAUGHTER!!!! The Farmers continue to blame the Kangaroos for their mis management of the land. We are sick of hearing the Kangaroos are eating all the food, really, it's the other way round, it is the Kangaroos who have had their land taken from them. Lets get it right, many farmers are in areas that should never be farmed, it is unsuitable and they have made it even worse by clearing for stock.

Sam Darling > Sam Darling

26 Aug 2019

Leisa, I don't think anyone is blaming kangaroos as the cause, but they are now a part of the problem. I also don't think there is a huge degree of mismanagement, in fact this proposal is part of the management. Clearing land for either stock or crops has allowed numbers to thrive, so we are not taking anything away from them, only trying to keep numbers from inflating. Working land is necessary to feed everyone (yes humans have breached the limit of our own sustainable populations) but if the alternative is that everyone becomes vegetarian then keep in mind that whatever is grown as a replacement also needs land and will provide even better feed for the roos, making their numbers swell even more and then we will still need harvesting!

Leisa Moore > Sam Darling

27 Aug 2019

Mismanagement is seen in the fact that the SA State Government are wanting to slaughter Kangaroos & Wallabies that are currently listed from rare through to endangered under the SA National Parks & Wildlife Act 1972

Leisa Moore > Sam Darling

28 Aug 2019

Thanks Ro, a brilliant reply which needs to be read by all who want Australia's Kangaroos slaughtered. The voiceless who have been betrayed, blamed and persecuted since the invasion.

Sam Darling > Sam Darling

28 Aug 2019

Ro, that's a long response, thank you for putting in the effort! I do not claim to know the numbers on this but do you think that your sustainable farming can be extrapolated to feed all of Australia, not just your communities?
Could you clarify for me what Widyaman guudhaa translates to?
I did read Leisa's reply and I responded to it but let's stick to discussing facts rather than targeting individuals.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Sam Darling

29 Aug 2019

Thanks so much Leisa Moore yes Kangaroos have & you are so very correct in what you state.

Ro Mudyin Godwin > Sam Darling

30 Aug 2019

Sam given my comment has been removed by SA Govt I’d suggest a few things firstly I’m not targeting you Sam I’ve merely replied to you,secondly the answers to your questions have already been addressed. As for my use of Traditional Language I’m sure it’s fairly self explanatory Sam. And facts are what I deal in daily given the status I hold as an Indigenous Initiated Teacher of Traditional & Modern Knowledge of Kangaroo & Country. Enjoy your day Sam.

Traceu Crockett > Sam Darling

31 Aug 2019

Sam Darling, I live 20 kms from my nearest small town. My neighbours are not in walking distance. And I live on 3000 acres and I can assure you they are no way in plague proportions or anywhere near it. In fact I am very concerned where I am that they are hardly to ge seen..

Cienwen Hickey > Sam Darling

01 Sep 2019

Sam, you said "If anyone had actually left the city limits, you would realise that kangaroos are nowhere near extinction. These are not "natural" population numbers; they have increased above manageable numbers because of how we have changed the environment".
As I have said on numerous occasions, not all of us live in the city, making such a presumption is only meant to make farmers appear more in touch when this is not really true.
What research or validation do you have for stating, these are not natural population numbers and they have increased above manageable number. What are 'manageable' numbers?
I notice in other comments you appear to believe farmers are indispensable because we would have nothing to eat. Every industry is indispensable, where would you be without steel for instance, but you also have to consider farmers export 75% of what they grow and what we buy from them is dearer than it is sold overseas for. Couldn't farmers try exporting less and allow cleared land to be restored?
Re your comment "everyone becomes vegetarian then keep in mind that whatever is grown as a replacement also needs land and will provide even better feed for the roos, making their numbers swell even more and then we will still need harvesting!
I realise you are trying to be sensible about what you say but the whole world will never go vegetarian by choice. Even if all the land were used for growing crops we are only talking about Kangaroos in Australia and I don't feel you have much of a handle on them. The4y do not breed out of control, they severely limit breeding during drought and flood, the juvenile mortality rate is 75% during good times and up to 100% during bad times. The Dry Sheep Equivalent (DSE) ref Prof Gordon Grigg has determined that it would take 50 Kangaroos to eat the same as one bovine daily. 5 Kangaroos eat the same as one sheep daily and it takes 2.5 rabbits to eat the same as one Kangaroo. Rabbits are everywhere and they do breed at an alarming rate they are also boom and bust but nobody ever mentions rabbits when they are talking about the amount of crop that is eaten, why is this I wonder? To me, it's because it never comes into the equation when there are Kangaroos to take the blame. Unlike Rabbits, Goats and Deer, Kangaroos are very selective eaters grass makes up 97% of their diet, They will eat native herbs some bark and probably some newly sprung crops but it has been proven that if the planting is done 40 metres away from the treeline where applicable, Kangaroos will not eat the crop.

Christine Invelito

19 Aug 2019

No. Australia is the leading in the world with the extinction of her native animals. This ******* cowboy mentality has to stop! We need to stop pandering to our self serving agricultural and hunting industries. These industries are vilifying many of our native animals. For the agricultural, native animals are inconvenient to their profits for the hunting, they want to make a profit! Both these industries are holding our governments to ransom. Our governments are too frightened to face them head on because most Australians are brainwashed, apathetic and clueless and believe these industries spin! Our koala was nearly made extinct in the wild for their fur within a 30 year period because of short term greed and profit. They are now doing the same thing with our kangaroo!!!!

Kristine James

19 Aug 2019

I strongly oppose the commercial harvesting of kangaroos, a practice which is set to define us as ‘a nation of hypocrites’ (see Davidson, M. 2019 ‘Kangaroo slaughter makes us a nation of hypocrites’ The Age [Opinion])

My concerns with the commercial harvesting of kangaroos are similar to those already raised here, viz:
Slow reproduction and high juvenile mortality rate of the kangaroo,
Implications of targeting large males in terms of effects on the gene pool,
The question of killing ‘humanely’, unsupervised and under the cover of darkness. Will there be ‘spot’ checks in the killing fields?

In the words of the late Steve Irwin: ’We in the so-called modern world must set the examples. This current example we've set - that eating, killing and wearing wildlife products is legal and 'sustainable' is obviously the greatest disaster for today's wildlife.’
(Irwin, S. Wildlife Propaganda: The "Sustainable Use" Lie, australiazoo.com.au)

Katy McMurray

19 Aug 2019

Please stop slaughtering kangaroos. And please stop using the euphemism 'harvesting'. Grains and fruit and vegetables are harvested, not animals. Truthfully, you are advocating slaughter, killing, culling kangaroos; sentient living beings, native animals. You want them to bleed and die. This is not picking fruit. So please, just do not do this.

Vicki Paterson

19 Aug 2019

How can the harvesting of kangaroos be ethical when it’s stated they reached 5 million, where is the proof or is this a convenient estimate, it’s the farmers that have changed the landscape, the kangaroos manage themselves, there is no need for the cruelty and the fair game attitude that does not ensure the humane “murder” of our national emblem, I am appalled at the lack of foresight regarding our native fauna who occupied this land long before humans.

Helen Round

19 Aug 2019

There is no better illustration of greed and exploitation without investment whilst exhibiting disregard for animal welfare, species preservation and the environment than the SA Kangaroo Meat Industry.
The blatant and cruel disregard for science and welfare displayed by adding new species, (including threatened species), is immoral, unethical and unsustainable opportunism.